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You won’t find The Black Keys’ new album El Camino on any streaming sites like Spotify, etc. Patrick Carney explains why.

The topic was revisited during a Grand Rapids radio station interview where Carney gets a little more explicit, calling Sean Parker (former Napster creator, now Spotify owner) an *$$hole… “That guy has $2 billion that he made from figuring out ways to steal royalties from artists, and that’s the bottom line. You can’t really trust anybody like that. The idea of a streaming service, like Netflix for music, I’m not totally against it. It’s just we won’t put all of our music on it until there are enough subscribers for it to make sense.”

Read more: Rolling Stone: Patrick Carney clarifies band’s stance on Spotify

VH1: Black Keys discuss their controversial spotify decision